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Company Uses Cells From Abortions to Test Artificial Flavors

PepsiCo wrote: “We hope you are reassured to learn that our collaboration with Senomyx is strictly limited to creating lower-calorie, great-tasting beverages for consumers. This will help us achieve our commitment to reduce added sugar per serving by 25% in key brands in key markets over the next decade and ultimately help people live healthier lives.”

Since they still insist on doing this: Pro-Life Groups: Boycott Pepsi for Using Aborted Fetal Cell Lines

If the cells are just going to be thrown out anyway, I'm not sure what the deal is.

How is this non-political news?

How dare they make effective use of existing resources! The nerve of them!

sabs wrote:How is this non-political news?

How is this "political?"

Tzor, in all seriousness, what is your point?

Even if you are completely against aborting any fetuses ever...what in the hell does that have to do with using their cells? Is there something sacrosanct about a dead fetus (or a dead person, for that matter)? The soul, if it even exists, has already vacated the premises. What is left is a bunch of cells (or meat, in the case of people).

Are you opposed to organ donation or something? Or does this smack of crass commercialism? Help me out here, I'm baffled.

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tzor wrote:

sabs wrote:How is this non-political news?

How is this "political?"

Because it seems a clumsy attempt by you to show abortion and embryonic stem cell use as evil and we all know that's your stance on it?

PoliteNewb wrote:Tzor, in all seriousness, what is your point?

Even if you are completely against aborting any fetuses ever...what in the hell does that have to do with using their cells? Is there something sacrosanct about a dead fetus (or a dead person, for that matter)? The soul, if it even exists, has already vacated the premises. What is left is a bunch of cells (or meat, in the case of people).

Are you opposed to organ donation or something? Or does this smack of crass commercialism? Help me out here, I'm baffled.

Even as conservative as I am...I don't get it. Tzor, are you against bodies being donated to science?

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I hereby attest that fetuses are delicious, and for the aesthetic good they must be used routinely to please my palate. I'll have none of this moral ridiculousness getting in the way of my mm, mm good cola.

Or more importantly and on topic, is there any source that verifies this besides crazy conservative church websites? Semonyx's official stance on it HAS been very dodgy, which leads me to believe it's a possibility, but I'd still rather see it from a source other than... that.

And secondly, dead fetuses are dead. Semonyx/Pepsi didn't walk up to some pregnant woman, shout, "FOR SCIENCE," and punch her in the stomach so hard her unborn fetus died and fell out into their science experiments. No. It was dead when she went to an abortion clinic and got it aborted. And whether or not you're okay with that (if you aren't, you are as far as I am concerned a horrible person who believes that womens' lives should be dictated by the misfortunes of biology as opposed their own dreams, goals, and desires), that fetus is still dead as dead gets and it's not going anywhere except into either a grave or a medical waste incinerator.

If your argument is that the only acceptable thing to do with a dead body is burn it, instead of say, allowing it to contribute to the improvement of other people's lives... uhh, WHY?

I hereby attest that my devout Hindu sister is a fucking cannibal. Not just any sort of cannibal, but an eater of babies. ALIVE BABIES.

She believes in the whole eating of a baby's placental tissue after the birth of the baby.


So fuck you fetus cola, there's a whole fucking group of crazy wingnuts who decided that instead using dead fetus tissue, they used dead tissue from a live baby.

This thread is going places.

So, I saw the thread title and went "if I didn't detest the taste of any drink except water, I think I might totally go for some of that!"

Is there something wrong with me?

Fuck that I want Not See Kola

http://www.popsoda.com/notseekola.html

PoliteNewb wrote:Tzor, in all seriousness, what is your point?

You know. sometimes I don't have a point. Seriously, sometimes I don't have a point. Some people go ga ga when they test products on animals. They call for boycotts. Then there are people who go ga ga when they test products using cells from abortion. They call for boycotts. Hell, it's not like people are being encouraged to abort in order to have more material for testing.

I know, I definitely play too much Nation States. When I see an issue like this it just makes me wonder. Sure, it's not Soyent Green, but it's the next best thing ... isn't it?

tzor wrote:

PoliteNewb wrote:Tzor, in all seriousness, what is your point?

You know. sometimes I don't have a point. Seriously, sometimes I don't have a point. Some people go ga ga when they test products on animals. They call for boycotts. Then there are people who go ga ga when they test products using cells from abortion. They call for boycotts.

If you don't have a point, why are you communicating? To make noise? Your point could be as simple as, "wow, I did not know this was happening, did you?". Most people here wouldn't believe that, but if you'd said it, I'd take you at face value.

You mention people going gaga over animal testing and abortion cells. When those people bring up the issue, they are absolutely making a point...said point being "this sucks, SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING".

And when somebody brings up THOSE people, that person (i.e. you) also has a point. That point is usually "OMG can you believe this?" or "hmm, maybe these guys have something worth thinking about" or "holy shit, look at these crazy douchebags". I'm curious as to which one you are trying to make.

Sure, it's not Soyent Green, but it's the next best thing ... isn't it?

No. It's not even close.

"Close" to soylent green would be if people were allowed to voluntarily donate their corpses to be eaten (wouldn't be safe, from what I hear...something about prions?), since people should be able to decide what to do with their dead bodies. Or if organ donation was compulsory (recycling people...which by the way, I believe in). Or there are other permutations.

But the using of fetal cells bears no resemblance to soylent green. Whatever. Even making the comparison tells me pretty clearly which side you're on in this trivial tempest in a teapot.

Not to mention, it's using fetal cells for TESTING. Not for actually making the product. So noone ever actually ingests aborted fetus 'stuff'.

EVER

sabs wrote:So noone ever actually ingests aborted fetus 'stuff'.

Fuck, now I'll have to figure out some other way to get my delicious dead fetus fix.

PoliteNewb wrote:If you don't have a point, why are you communicating? To make noise? Your point could be as simple as, "wow, I did not know this was happening, did you?". Most people here wouldn't believe that, but if you'd said it, I'd take you at face value.

I don't think that's really a "point" per se. But yes, I considered this as something really odd and freeky in a strange and odd sort of way. People were implying that I was trying to make the "this proves abortion is double plus no good."

But it does make the point that when someone says, "we've scientifically determined that this great drink tastes good," and you actually find out how they actually did that determination (in a somewhat odd dr frankenstien sort of way) it sort of makes you go ewwwwwwwwwww.

Hm. In all honesty, I'd be more eww'd about the percentage rat feces and dissolved bugs in soda. Which I'm pretty sure is a non-zero number.

tzor wrote:Doesn't that low calorie drink taste good then thank a dead baby an aborted fetus!

Company Uses Cells From Abortions to Test Artificial Flavors

PepsiCo wrote: “We hope you are reassured to learn that our collaboration with Senomyx is strictly limited to creating lower-calorie, great-tasting beverages for consumers. This will help us achieve our commitment to reduce added sugar per serving by 25% in key brands in key markets over the next decade and ultimately help people live healthier lives.”

Since they still insist on doing this: Pro-Life Groups: Boycott Pepsi for Using Aborted Fetal Cell Lines

That is an absolute lie. They're using HEK293, which are embryonic stem cells that were originally extracted from adult kidneys, and then cultivated in a laboratory.

The Cell line was created in the 1970s, this is how much of a nonstory it is.

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tzor wrote:

PoliteNewb wrote:If you don't have a point, why are you communicating? To make noise? Your point could be as simple as, "wow, I did not know this was happening, did you?". Most people here wouldn't believe that, but if you'd said it, I'd take you at face value.

I don't think that's really a "point" per se. But yes, I considered this as something really odd and freeky in a strange and odd sort of way. People were implying that I was trying to make the "this proves abortion is double plus no good."

But it does make the point that when someone says, "we've scientifically determined that this great drink tastes good," and you actually find out how they actually did that determination (in a somewhat odd dr frankenstien sort of way) it sort of makes you go ewwwwwwwwwww.

um... ok then. It sort of makes me go "Ooh, cool, I didn't know you could do that."